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Re: Le j'accuse de G.E. Séralini sur les OGM




par Obamot » 01/10/16, 19:10

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Glyphosate déclaré probable cancérogène par le CIRC-OMS en 2016 aussi:

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Mais le plus grave c'est que c'est un perturbateur endocrinien...! Et il n'y a aucun démenti à ce sujet.

Est-ce qu'Izuentropedro peut nous expliquer en quoi les solvants présents seraient préjudiciables à l'organisme humain et POURQUOI?

Glycine and paraformaldehyde are reacted in a suitable organic solvent (typically triethylamine and methanol) to produce bishydroxymethylglycine

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How Roundup Damages Your Mitochondria and Makes You Sick

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFX6vgVugew

By Dr. Mercola.

In the featured video, Jeffrey Smith interviews Dr. Alex Vasquez, M.D., Ph.D., author of about 100 papers and 15 scientific books, and Stephanie Seneff, Ph.D., a Senior Research Scientist at MIT and author of about 200 papers, about the impact of glyphosate — the active ingredient in Roundup — on your mitochondria.

As noted by Jeffrey, this is a very important topic, as mitochondrial dysfunction is an underlying foundational element of most diseases.

Why the Health of Your Mitochondria Matters
As explained by Vasquez, in addition to producing most of your body’s energy in the form of ATP, your mitochondria also participate in many other processes, such as cellular signaling.

According to Vasquez, the data is “impressively clear” that those with type 2 diabetes, metabolic syndrome and high blood pressure have dysfunctional mitochondria.

Your mitochondria also play an important role in inflammation, and control apoptosis (cell death). These two roles make your mitochondria a player in diseases such as cancer, for example, as damaged cells fail to receive the message to self-destruct, and therefore continue their malignant growth.

Vasquez — who is an expert on inflammation — divides inflammation into three different forms, which exist on a continuum and overlap each other:

1) Metabolic inflammation (conditions such as hypertension and diabetes)
2) Allergic inflammation
3) Autoimmune inflammation

Chronic, low-level inflammation, which tends to underlie most chronic health conditions, he describes as “metabolic disturbance with cellular injury.” While mitochondrial dysfunction is involved in virtually ALL disease, the following bears mentioning, as they’re among the most common:

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How Glyphosate Damages Your Mitochondria

So how does glyphosate affect your mitochondria? Seneff speaks to this issue, noting that manganese appears to be involved. Glyphosate chelates manganese (plus many other minerals), which makes the plants deficient. In turn the animals or humans who eat the plants do not get enough either.

It’s worth explaining the chelation process a bit further. As Smith notes, glyphosate binds very strongly to micro minerals, and doesn’t let them go.

So even if there’s manganese in the plant you eat, your body cannot access and use it, because the glyphosate molecule holds it trapped within itself. Likewise the plant is prevented from taking up the mineral, even if it’s in the soil.

Your mitochondria require manganese to break down superoxide dismutase (SOD) and turn it into hydrogen peroxide, which is far less toxic, and eventually water. This is a very important process, as it protects your mitochondria from oxidative damage. Without manganese, this protection is lost.

Roundup Formulation Also Interferes With Energy Production

Roundup has also been found to interfere with ATP production by affecting your mitochondrial membranes. In this case, it’s actually the so-called “inert” solvents in Roundup that pose the greatest threat.

However, when you add the solvents and glyphosate together, the solvent makes the membrane more permeable, allowing the glyphosate to enter. Without the solvent, the damage may not be as great.

It’s worth repeating what Vasquez notes, which is that the research data is overwhelmingly consistent and clear on all of these points.

So the fact that there is even public debate about whether glyphosate or Roundup causes mitochondrial harm (and therefore harms health) means that people simply are not aware of the scientific literature.

Because from that perspective, there’s nothing to debate. According to both Seneff and Vasquez, the scientific literature is abundant, easily attainable online, clear, and very consistent.

If you don’t know where to start, here’s a review of some of the published research questioning the safety of glyphosate in terms of its effects on human and animal health, compiled by Alex Vasquez (containing 220 pages worth of research).

Another illuminating and heavily referenced 80-page report is "Banishing Glyphosate," authored by Eva Sirinathsinghji, Ph.D. and Mae-Wan Ho, Ph.D. with cooperation from six other researchers, including Don Huber and Nancy Swanson.

“Why are we having a public debate on this when the data is so clear?,” Vasquez asks. A good question indeed, and the answer is that the industry has done a great job of confusing and misleading people about the actual content and strength of the available science.

Court Finds Fraud and Defamation Was Used to Discredit GMO Study

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShJTcIlTna0

The case of Gilles-Eric Séralini is a perfect example of how the chemical technology industry tries to keep you in the dark — by whatever means necessary, moral, legal or not. His first-ever lifetime feeding study published in 2012 revealed numerous shocking problems in rats fed GMO corn, including massive tumors and early death.

Rats given glyphosate in their drinking water also developed tumors. The following year, the publisher retracted the study saying it “did not meet scientific standards,” even though a long and careful investigation found no errors or misrepresentation of data.

Interestingly enough, in the time between the publication of the study and its retraction, the journal had created a new position — Associate Editor for Biotechnology; a position that was filled by a former Monsanto employee.

Séralini not only republished the study in another journal, he also took legal action, and at the end of last year, he won two court cases against some of those who tried to destroy his career and reputation. In the first case, Marianne magazine and a journalist by the name of Jean-Claude Jaillette — who accused Séralini of “scientific fraud in which the methodology served to reinforce pre-determined results” — were found guilty of public defamation.

In a second case, Marc Fellous, former chairman of the Biomolecular Engineering Commission of France, was indicted for forgery and the use of forgery in a libel trial.

According to Séralini’s Website: :arrowd:

“The Biomolecular Engineering Commission has authorized many GM crops for consumption. The details of the case have not yet been publicly released but a source close to the case told GMWatch that Fellous had used or copied the signature of a scientist without his agreement to argue that Séralini and his co-researchers were wrong in their reassessment of Monsanto studies.”


Recent follow-up research2,3 by Séralini shows that long-term exposure to even ultra-low amounts of Roundup may cause tumors, along with liver and kidney damage in rats. In this study, the dose used was "environmentally relevant in terms of human, domesticated animals and wildlife levels of exposure," prompting the authors to suggest Roundup may have significant health implications.

Concerns Over Glyphosate Have Turned Out to Be Valid

In recent years, concerns over the health effects of glyphosate have become quite pronounced, and last year the International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC), a division of the World Health Organization (WHO), reclassified glyphosate as a Class 2A “probable carcinogen.”4, 5,6

Monsanto recently filed a lawsuit against California’s Office of Environmental Health Hazard Assessment to keep glyphosate from being added to its list of known carcinogens,7 which require products to carry a special cancer warning.

Other research8,9,10,11 suggests the Roundup formulation boosts antibiotic resistance by turning on a specific set of genes in the bacterium. This primes it to become more readily resistant to antibiotics. Despite these and other concerns, the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) does not test foods for glyphosate residues, as the chemical was assumed safe.

The chemical also wasn’t supposed to accumulate in the human body, but this too has been shown to be a false assumption.12

When Will USDA Test Food for Glyphosate Residues?
Last summer the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) announced U.S. regulators may start testing for glyphosate residues on food in the near future.13,14,15 However, the latest annual pesticide residue report still did not include glyphosate. Even if they did, current allowable limits may be set too far high to protect your health, so unless that’s revised as well, you may be lulled into a false sense of security. The EPA actually raised the allowable limits for glyphosate in food in 2013.

Limits for root and tuber vegetables (with the exception of sugar) were raised from 0.2 parts per million (ppm) to 6.0 ppm. Meanwhile, researchers have documented malformations in frog and chicken embryos starting at 2.03 ppm of glyphosate.16

The allowable limit in oilseed crops (except for canola and soy) was raised to 40 ppm, which is 100,000 times the amount needed to induce cancer in breast cells.17 To address the lack of testing, the Organic Consumers Association (OCA) joined forces with the Feed the World Project last year, launching the world’s first glyphosate testing of urine, water, and breast milk for the general public.18,19,20,21

Roundup Ready Alfalfa Goes Wild — As Predicted
In related news, a recent USDA study22 shows that genetically engineered (GE) alfalfa — approved in late 2011 — has already gone wild, and is quickly spreading across the Western states. At the time of its approval, conventional alfalfa farmers were concerned that their conventional alfalfa would be contaminated through cross-pollination. Now their fears have turned into reality, and contamination has already cost them millions of dollars in lost revenue.

As noted by Eco Watch,23 the wild spread “exposes the failure of USDA’s "coexistence’ policy for GE and traditional crops.” There was never any doubt in my and many other people’s mind that this would happen, yet “I told you so” just doesn’t bring any satisfaction. When will our government let facts and common sense speak for themselves? Eco Watch also reports that:

“[T]he researchers also found clear evidence that the Roundup Ready gene was being spread by bees, which are known to cross-pollinate alfalfa populations separated by up to several miles. Their results suggested that ‘transgenic plants could spread transgenes to neighboring feral plants and potentially to neighboring non-GE fields.’

While they did not test this latter possibility, there is no doubt that non-GE alfalfa has in fact been transgenically contaminated — not just once, but on many occasions.”


Campbell’s Decimates Monsanto's Argument Against Labeling
The fact that GE crops are heavily contaminated with Roundup is just one of many reasons to become aware of which foods contain GMOs and which don’t. Remember, Roundup Ready crops are designed to withstand the pesticide, and tolerance has forced farmers to increase the amount of pesticide sprayed on the crop. For this and other reasons, we need GE foods to be clearly labeled.

The Grocery Manufacturers Association (GMA), of which Monsanto is a member, insists mandatory GMO labeling would result in higher food prices. It’s completely illogical, yet many have fallen for this stupid ruse. Now, Campbell Soup’s decision to voluntarily label their GMO products will finally decimate this argument and prove that added cost is a non-issue. As reported by Alternet24 on January 15:

“[T]he first question we asked ... was, will you charge more for these products after you label them? In an email ... company spokesman Tom Hushen wrote, ‘To be clear, there will be no price increase as a result of Vermont or national GMO labeling for Campbell products.’

Will Campbell’s have to absorb extra costs associated with labeling? Will profit margins on its GMO brands shrink? No, says Carmen Bain, a sociology professor at Iowa State University who studies GMO labeling. Bain told PoliticoPro’s Jenny Hopkinson, ‘Campbell has determined that the cost of labeling their products is negligible (and therefore won't mean higher costs for consumers) and that it's probably costlier for them not to get out in front of this thing.’”

SAD NEWS: House Passes DARK Act Compromise
The House passed a compromise to the DARK Act that will force food distributors to disclose the presence of genetically engineered (GE) ingredients with a smartphone scan code. President Obama has signed the bill that removes states’ rights for labeling GMOs. The bill is full of loopholes, which may allow genetically modified ingredients to slip through unannounced.

Genetically modified organisms (GMOs), aka GE foods, are live organisms whose genetic components have been artificially manipulated in a laboratory setting through creating unstable combinations of plant, animal, bacteria and even viral genes that do not occur in nature or through traditional crossbreeding methods.

GMO proponents claim that genetic engineering is “safe and beneficial,” and that it advances the agricultural industry. They also say that GMOs help ensure the global food supply and sustainability. But is there any truth to these claims? I believe not. For years, I’ve stated the belief that GMOs pose one of the greatest threats to life on the planet. Genetic engineering is NOT the safe and beneficial technology that it is touted to be.

The FDA cleared the way for GE Atlantic salmon to be farmed for human consumption. Thanks to added language in the federal spending bill, the product will require special labeling so at least consumers will have the ability to identify the GE salmon in stores. However, it's imperative ALL GE foods be labeled clearly without a smartphone scan code because not everyone owns a smartphone.

The FDA is threatening the existence of our food supply. We have to start taking action now. I urge you to share this article with friends and family. If we act together, we can make a difference and put an end to the absurdity.

Boycott Smart Labels Today
When you see the QR code or so-called Smart Label on a food product, pass it by. Products bearing the Grocery Manufacturer’s Association’s (GMA) Smart Label mark are in all likelihood filled with pesticides and/or GMO ingredients.

The GMA’s 300-plus members include chemical technology companies, GE seed and food and beverage companies. Monsanto, Dow and Coca-Cola are just some of the heavy-hitters in this powerful industry group, which has showed no qualms about doing whatever it takes to protect the interest of its members.

Don’t waste your time searching through their website, which may or may not contain the information you’re looking for. If they insist on wasting your time and making your shopping difficult, why reward them with a purchase?

A little known fact is that the GMA actually owns the "Smart Label" trademark that Congress has accepted as a so-called “compromise” to on-package GMO labeling, and that’s another reason why I believe the Smart Label mark is the mark of those with something to hide, such as Monsanto.

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Will you financially support a corrupt, toxic and unsustainable food system, or a healthy, regenerative one? There are many options available besides big-brand processed foods that are part of the “GMA’s verified ring of deception.” You can:

— Shop at local farms and farmers markets
— Only buy products marked either “USDA 100 percent Organic” (which by law cannot contain GMOs), “100 percent Grass-Fed” or “Non-GMO Verified”
— If you have a smartphone and you don’t mind using it, download the OCA’s Buycott app to quickly and easily identify the thousands of proprietary brands belonging to GMA members, so you can avoid them, as well as identify the names of ethical brands that deserve your patronage

Last but not least, encourage good companies to reject QR codes and to be transparent and clear with their labeling. This will eventually ensure that all GMO foods can easily be identified by the GMA’s “verified ring of deception” mark that is the Smart Label.

Campbell’s, Mars, Kellogg’s, ConAgra and General Mills all vowed to voluntarily comply with Vermont's GMO labeling law by labeling all of their foods sold across the U.S. Will their plans change now that the law has been passed by Congress and signed by the President? That remains to be seen, but if you like these companies, I would encourage you to reach out to them and ask them to remain steadfast in their promise.

Source: http://articles.mercola.com/sites/artic ... ndria.aspx


Ah bein je crois que non, Izentrop-trop-rigolo ne pourra pas expliquer... :D Il n'y a jamais rien compris... Zéro.. Nada... Nothing... Niet...

Mais je peux te dire que le cancer, à côté de ça, ce n'est que le cadet de nos soucis !
(à peine une conséquence quasi inéluctable à un âge avancé)
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Re: Le j'accuse de G.E. Séralini sur les OGM




par izentrop » 01/10/16, 21:00

pedrodelavega a écrit :
Obamot a écrit :Q: Quand est-ce qu'on va fermer ton caquet? (Et ne plus répondre à ta logorrhea, puisque délibérément tu t'en fout et n'apprends rien).

A quoi servent toutes ces insultes? Tu n'as pas peur de perdre du crédit à su-réagir sans cesse dans l'émotionnel quand les interlocuteurs ne sont pas du même avis que le tien?
Merci pedro,
Justement le discrédit est suffisant, pas la peine d'en ajouter. :wink:

Les faits sont là : le roundup est utilisé depuis 40 ans sans problème. Séralini se discrédite aussi, dans ses interviews avec des surenchères. Et puis chercheur et activiste :?:

Quand l'association "Les amis de la terre" écrit "Glyphosate cancérigène ou pas ? " c'est que l'affaire n'est pas soldée.
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par Obamot » 01/10/16, 21:09

Au lieu de continuer à nous enfumer ad nauséam et de faire la malin, réponds simplement à la question que je t'ai posé:

‘Est-ce qu'Izentrop peut nous expliquer en quoi les solvants présents* seraient préjudiciables à l'organisme humain et POURQUOI?‘

Et on va voir ton "niveau de crédibilité" où il ira se crasher (enfin bon, faudrait encore que t'aies un niveau, mais ça...) :roll: :wink:

* dans le Roundup et autres...
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Bah non, 2h30 plus tard, comme il fallait s'y attendre: toujours pas de réponse.... :D :cheesy: tu parles d'une claque...!
Merci Pedro....
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par Obamot » 02/10/16, 02:05

Lamentable échec sur une question basique en l'état ! :arrowd: pffffffffffff. toujours rien !

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Exactement 4h plus tard, alors que tu es toujours en ligne, tu n'as toujours pas apporté la moindre réponse. Ça craint. :mrgreen:
Ta "crédibilité" bein comme t'en n'as jamais eu ici, elle ne peut donc guère tomber :mrgreen: tu vois où t'en es: zéro pointé....!
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par Obamot » 02/10/16, 12:42

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Notons que 14h00 plus tard, je suis on ne peu plus zen puisque tu n'es toujours pas capble de répondre :lol: :lol: :lol: alors que tu t'es loggué je ne sais combien de fois depuis. Cherches-tu toujours la parade à ce mauvais pas où assiste-t-on à une énième dérobade de plus?
Ta crédibilité étant à zéro, remettons les formules chimiques et la question:

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Q: Quel est le PRINCIPAL problème lorsque le Roundup (contenant du glyphosate) est en contact avec des solvants... (et qu'il en contient lui-même) et qu'ensuite ceux-ci pénètrent dans l'organisme humain ?

La réponse n'est pas directement sur le web, mais toi qui te permets de juger des chercheurs en postant sans cesse des stupidités sur les forums, qu'est-ce qui te permet de le faire et d'apprécier que ce que tu postes a quelque chose d'intelligible avec ce que tu dis?

Là il ne s'agit plus de: «ton petit manège sur les questions inter-perso pour détourner l'attention» (et dans lequel du "excèles") là on est au cœur du sujet, on parle d'honnêteté et de la tienne crédibilité puisque c'est là où tu as eu le culot de vouloir en arriver et bien allons-y! :mrgreen: Parlons de TA crédibilité, celle concernant des compétences, connaissances, maîtrise des matières que tu abordes, synthèses (qui ne sont pas de toi) mais que tu distilles ici à longueur d'année, parlons de la teneur de TES oiseuses conclusions dont tu nous abreuves en t'abritant derrière «des pseudo-avis de pseudo-spécialistes» et en dégainant ton sophisme perpétuel: «si le spécialiste (choisi de façon péremptoire) dit ceci, c'est donc que j'ai raison de dire cela» sans jamais toutefois être capable d'étayer les réponses copiées/collées par toi-même.

Parce que tant que tu n'es nullement en mesure de comprendre ce que disent les autres, qu'est-ce qui te permet de les juger ?
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par Obamot » 02/10/16, 21:13

24h plus tard on en est toujours au même stade, après de multiples login tu es toujours incapable de répondre => CQFD. :lol:
Donc question « crédibilité » — dans tous les sujets que tu ne connais pas — fermes-là ça vaudrait mieux :shock: :roll:
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par yves35 » 02/10/16, 22:37

bonsoir,

Bah non, 2h30 plus tard, comme il fallait s'y attendre: toujours pas de réponse.... :D :cheesy: tu parles d'une claque...!
Lamentable échec sur une question basique en l'état ! :arrowd: pffffffffffff. toujours rien !
Notons que 14h00 plus tard, je suis on ne peu plus zen puisque tu n'es toujours pas capble de répondre
24h plus tard on en est toujours au même stade, après de multiples login tu es toujours incapable de répondre

Ne pas nourrir le troll peut être?

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par janic » 03/10/16, 08:33

izentrop bonjour
Les faits sont là : le roundup est utilisé depuis 40 ans sans problème.

cela ne veut rien dire! Il a fallut un siècle pour que l'amiante soit reconnu comme cancérigène, le DDT a suivi le même cheminement, parmi d'autres comme les colorants alimentaires par exemple. Or pendant ce temps, avec la négation des "scientifiques " aux ordres des lobbies chimiques, des malades et des morts s'ajoutaient. Ensuite on ne peut être juge et partie quand les "faits" sont établis par... QUI?
Séralini se discrédite aussi, dans ses interviews avec des surenchères. Et puis chercheur et activiste :

Tu confonds la recherche qui est, en soi, un moyen de mieux connaitre le monde du vivant et les conclusions des uns comme des autres qui manquent souvent d'un recul suffisant. Or tous les lanceurs d'alerte qui se cachent du monde et se contente de constater et garder pour eux leur réflexion, ne sont pas des lanceurs d'alerte en ce cas.
Quand l'association "Les amis de la terre" écrit "Glyphosate cancérigène ou pas ? " c'est que l'affaire n'est pas soldée.
l'association n'est pas un laboratoire, ni un organisme officiel affirmant telle ou telle chose. Donc la question, sauf à être réglée officiellement, se doit d'être dans le questionnement, pas dans l'affirmation, mais le passé montre qu'un produit mis en cause se révèle fréquemment justifié.
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par izentrop » 03/10/16, 10:04

janic a écrit :Donc la question, sauf à être réglée officiellement, se doit d'être dans le questionnement, pas dans l'affirmation
C'est bien ce que je disais et ce n'est pas la nouvelle étude de Séralini qui va nous éclairer http://forums.futura-sciences.com/actua ... uvert.html
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